Where Have All The Elk Gone? Long Time Passing
February 29, 2008
How many elk are there in the Northern Rockies area in and around Yellowstone National Park where wolves now control the landscape? How many were freely roaming the forests and the plains in their peak? How many are there now?
I’m not so naive that I don’t understand at least to some degree about counting wildlife. There are two things I know for sure; wild game are difficult to count and is mostly done based on gathering data rather than counting one by one, and when asked, fish and game officials are supposed to give out “official” numbers – I would suppose those put together from the last round of calculations even if their anecdotal evidence reveals something different.
What is oftentimes overlooked or just not brought up in discussions involving game populations is a break down of numbers. An example of this might be if officials state there are 100,000 elk in Idaho (this is a random figure). They may also claim that compared to previous years’ the population of elk is holding steady, etc. What would happen though if it was broken down by wildlife management areas? Would we see something different? Would we see a pattern that would show that in areas of large concentrations of predators, those numbers are substantially reduced and where there are fewer predators, elk and deer numbers continue to grow?
Of late, I am hearing from several people that the elk and deer in Idaho have or are disappearing faster than officials can count them. Is this true? Who does the counting? When is the counting done? If the elk are disappearing and vanishing that quickly, then we have to ask why?
I have stated in the past that I have a healthy respect for wildlife biologists and most fish and game departments. That respect dwindles in a hurry once these individuals and organizations become corrupt, mostly due to politics and hidden agendas. With that said, I also have a larger respect for the person that is in the field every day – the one who witnesses on a regular basis changes to the landscape, can compare those changes to evidence from years gone by, etc. These are the hunters, the trappers, the fishermen, the guides, the outfitters, the ones on the front lines nearly everyday. Any intelligently run fish and game department would be relying on these people’s eyes and ears for important information as to what is going on out there.
So, where have all the elk gone? Are they someplace where nobody can find them or do they just not exist anymore? Is the official elk count in Idaho only “official” because they haven’t official data that can render a change is official status? Are those claiming the elk are gone exaggerating their stories to embellish the truth? Are the wolves to blame? Are the bears to blame? Is it drought conditions or deep snow pack and extreme weather conditions? Is it a combination of all these factors or none of these? Some are claiming it is time to place the mule deer and elk on the threatened or endangered list because it is near extinction in some areas.
The other day I posted a brief comment from Robert Fanning of the Friends of the Northern Yellowstone Elk Herd. In Pray, Montana, which is just outside the northern fringes of Yellowstone where Fanning lives, the elk that usually winter there just aren’t there, according to Mr. Fanning. He writes, “There used to be 19,700 elk in the Mt FWP (Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks) winter range next to my home, now we are down to 400. No bulls. No calves.”
That’s a whole lot of meat on hooves that have gone somewhere!
I also received a copy of a letter that was written by an outfitter in Idaho, Shane McAfee. You can find a complete copy of his letter at the Western Institute for the Study of the Environment’s website.
McAfee says his business is suffering badly because there are no elk and deer left for his clients so they no long want to come to Idaho to hunt.
In 1996 our Unit 28 opening week saw ten hunters harvest nine bull elk (1-7×7, 6-6×6’s and 2- 5×5’s). All mature bulls, all happy hunters! Eleven years later, after the wolves multiplied here, this season (2007) we harvested only one spike bull and four deer out of twenty total hunters. On my first three hunts last year I went 15 days horseback guiding and never saw an elk! Almost all of the hunters never wanted to see Idaho again; and yes, they were very upset!
McAfee blames it on the wolves that are exploding in population and are being allowed to grow unchecked.
After I posted the short article mentioned above about Bob Fanning’s claims that nearly 20,000 elk have been reduced to 400, readers began leaving comments. I got a comment from Greg Farber who lives in Idaho. Here is part of what Greg said.
I also have this information myself in my Master wolf file Ive been building. Not only that the Largest Elk herd of the North West from the Selway is GONE guys. 26,000 elk in 1996 and four head have been seen at the Winter Ranges along the Clear Water In Idaho. As well the Middle Fork of the Boise River used to have 10,000+ elk Wintering along this River from Atlanta to Lucky Peak, Ive driven this road three times this Winter and I have glassed 160 head. The South Fork of the Boise River should have 8,000 head along that drainage and Ive seen 57 elk in there. The Payette River between Grandjean and Lowman Idaho where I grew up and still spend time at should have 4500 head of elk in those wintering spots, I located 54 cows, no bulls, no calves. I found 300 elk in the King Hill Area South of Bennett Mountain, there should be 5000 head there.
I emailed Greg because I found this information staggering. I wanted to communicate with him outside of a public forum so that I could ask him if he thought there were explanations to the disappearance of all these elk other than wolves, bears and mountain lions.
Tom-I don’t honestly know where the elk are, all I can tell you is for 35 years I have gone to these places with my uncle and myself to watch the elk and to gather horns which were shed at those sites. I have not located any elk sheds, I used to fill the truck bed with elk-deer sheds. Now I just try to find elk. I live in unit 48, which was a fantastic trophy bull unit, And I used to watch those monster bulls in winter here, they are not here. I would not take this tag for free, there is nothing to hunt. The voice of the people such as myself is not heard or listened too. IFG, and FWS, are covering up this ….I dont know what too call it…a crime I guess. I’m a packer Tom, with horses and mules, I will be out there in the saddle as soon as the snow is off for three months, Im not going to work, Im going to stay on the ground and do what I can for truth. The question in my mind is there is no place else these elk can be, there is no other alternative winter range in these places, if they are not there at the ranges, their under the snow and predation has gotten them as well. In all my years we were told too not chase or bother elk in winter due to heavy snows killing them, especially exhausting them by making them run in it, yet the wolf can do it? The bottom line here is elk in deep snow and hungry wolves is a recipe for disaster, this is what we have in Idaho. I guess if these public servants continue too lie, then perhaps we need to physically remove them and replace them with people whom have integrity and want too be fair. I just do not know what we can do too right this thing. The authority’s are being controlled by the wrong people, and it is not us. I tell everyone too stop buying tags, there is no sense in taking a gun out there and killing a cow elk, if you can find it. I thought since 1999 my skills as a hunter were fading, Ive taken 23 elk in the same darn place consistently, my last one was 1999. Same thing on mule deer, I hunted those big boys in the back country and have four 30”+toads on the wall and these guys are 200 classs bucks. I can not find any in the usual winter spots to gather their sheds and comfort myself basically that those big bucks are ok. There not ok. I wish I could describe too you the feeling I have inside me when I see what I see, and know in my heart what has happened and yet the agencies come out and lie to us about herd counts. Maybe the feeling right now is helplessness.
Greg.
Below is a video of a flight over the back country of Idaho in search of wintering elk. The flight was done by the Sportsmen for Fish and Wildlife Idaho. They hired whom they thought was the most experienced pilot who could locate all the wintering ranges for the elk. See for yourself what they found.
Tom Remington



After a little internet searching,

I to have noticed the drastic fall in elk sign when bow hunting in the fall. I used to live in idaho 3 years ago and archery hunted elk for 10 years in Idaho when I lived there. I started out in the stanley area and had 5 to 6 places that consistently held elk for me there. This only lasted for 3 years and then we started seeing and hearing less elk and the there wasnt even tracks in these old elk haunts. The terain and vegitation was the same. by the 4 th year we saw only 3 elk on a week long hunt. We figured mabee it was a fluke due to weather. We did how ever see three wolves on that trip. The next year we where skunked on elk and didnt see any fresh sign and we tried 5 new places along with the old ones. We decided to change units and headed for the mcall zone. The first year we saw 2 bulls and about 15 cows. The next year after that we saw 1 bull and 3 cows. The year after the next 2 years all we got to respond to our calling was wolves. On 2 diffrent occasions we had a pack sound off right next to us after bugling and caught a glips of one working up the game trail below us. I discharged my .357 to let them know we werent elk but man Its really geting old looking for new spots to hunt where the wolves havnt taken over. I now live in Wyoming and am going to give it a try for elk here for the first time. I like hunting with my dad but at $500.00 for a couple of pieces of paper and to not even see elk. Its just not worth it. I started putting in for preference points for my dad over here but I fear the wolf problem is probably just as bad here too. and to top it all off I herd that a federal judge put the brakes on wolf hunting again. what the !%$@**&^ . At least in Wyoming they had the balls to put out a decent wolf plan “shoot’em on sight” even if it did get shot down at least we got the feeling they at least know how to fix the problem. Now if some one will just let them.
I live in N. Idaho and hunt, hike, explore and camp in the N. Clearwater in Unit 10 of Idaho. The IF&G biologist have reported that the elk in this area are in serious trouble and wolf predation is the main cause. Others outside the state and even some here say this is baloney. Who are we going to believe? I believe the elk in this area are in real trouble from wolf predation. I did some reading about a biological phenomonon called “the predator pit hypothesis”. If there was ever a classic case of elk being in a “predator pit”, it is in this the Clearwater elk herd.
I have my own theory as to why wolves can adversely affect elk recuitment negatively,without killing elk. I love to hike and camp into the back country of this area in early Sept just to listen to the bulls bugle. Since wolves have arrived, I have yet to hear even one bulge. This is not to say none do, but clearly few do. In order to adjust and survive wolf predation, elk have learned to be much less vocal and they stay scattered and in thick brush. I am convinced elk changed their behavior including bugling to avoid being killed because wolves hone in on that sound like a dinner bell ringing. What else could possibly explain the drastic drop of the cow/calf ration (3-4 calves/100 cows) and the over all recrutiment problems of elk more than disruption of their breeding success? Just one man’s considered opinion. I don’t hate wolves, I just appreciate elk, deer and moose more! I think the later has much more value to majority of people who live here than do the former! People who want wolves for the most part don’t even live in the west and have no idea the problems they cause, or just don’t care!